Don't trust conspiracy theorists who obviously know nothing about science. Did you watch that video I linked to above?teo123 wrote:First of all, how am I supposed to know who is to be trusted?
You're certainly wrong.teo123 wrote:To me it seems like that mainstream science is one that is making exceptional claims of space exploration and providing no evidence of it. I might be wrong.
No exceptional claims have been made. We already know the size and distance of the Moon and Mars, as well as other planets. Any amateur can understand the limits of the technology available, and see that this is clearly possible.
The claims are actually quite boring, which is why NASA has so much trouble staying funded. They send rovers to roll around on rocks and collect samples with robotic arms. And they don't find much that can't already be determined from Earth.
And in terms of the evidence, if you are committed you can even bounce a laser off one of the mirrors that were placed on the Moon, as many people have for over 40 years.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... er-funding
We've already learned what we needed to from that, and it's no longer very scientifically useful: the only purpose they have any more is convincing idiots who still believe conspiracy theories.
If you think this is some grand conspiracy that millions of people are in on, that's pretty insulting alone.
The mirrors are still there, and if you set your life to it, you can do it yourself (it will just cost a pretty penny for the lasers and equipment to detect it). You can easily do the math yourself to find out how powerful the laser needs to be and how broad a detection area you need to collect the returning photons.
Then the appropriate response is not to assert the opposite. It is to tentatively accept the mainstream scientific consensus.teo123 wrote:There might be some evidence, just like there might be some evidence of God I am unaware of. But for now, I don't believe that.
The scientific consensus on god happens to be agnosticism; that there's no evidence for it, and that at least biblical accounts are largely false (like the age of the Earth).
No. I'm not wasting MORE of my time on you when you're dead set on believing all of this bullshit. I explain one thing, it takes forever, and then it's another, and another conspiracy. You'll have conspiracy theories from here to the end of the internet, and you'll never be satisfied that it's reasonable to trust scientific authority until you know enough to form your own opinions.teo123 wrote:And can you finally explain why are dragons not a credible claim according to you?
Your head is too far up your own ass.
You just need to accept what people smarter than you tell you unless and until you take the time to educate yourself properly so you can understand what science is, how it works, and how to come up with a legitimate competing theory.
I told you to learn what reaction mass is, you ignored me. Right now you're insulting me by asking me to waste more of my time. And then it'll be another thing after this. The conspiracy theories are endless with you.
You were correct to accept those things, which you were told by people who are smarter than you are.teo123 wrote:Hey, it's not like I had no idea about round-earthism and space exploration, I had used to believe in it myself.
Veganism and Atheism are not in the same category as rejecting science; they ARE science. Both are accepted mainstream beliefs and practices.
And what has that gotten me? An endless stream of conspiracy theories. You still won't trust mainstream opinion after I explained clearly why you should, and how it's arrogant and insulting for you to reject it in ignorance.teo123 wrote:But you are the only one I've ever talked to about this that actually defends their position with some arguments.
There's a reason people don't bother to supply conspiracy theorists with arguments: it's a bottomless pit of ignorance and pseudoscience.
Show me that I didn't waste my time, and that you aren't a bottomless pit of ignorance and pseudoscience. Research "reaction mass" by yourself.
Conspiracy theorists are fabricating ad hoc hypotheses, not making sensible arguments. They're just making shit up.teo123 wrote:Until now, it seemed to me that only conspiracy theorists are showing any arguments for their positions.
To actually explain how these things work requires an understanding of science and mathematics. That's much harder than just making up senseless bullshit.
For every scientists busy doing science who doesn't have time for your bullshit, there are dozens of do-nothing conspiracy theorists who have all the time in the world to spoon feed you their shit straight from their asses (they love doing it too; they get off on it because it makes them feel special).
Watch that video I linked you to in the prior post.
