Hi from a non vegan

[John]

Hi

I am new in here. I have been looking at diet preferences on you tube.

I have watched you tubes from an ex convict who, in spite of growing up in Australia of all places, convinced himself that high powered weaponry and getting involved in gang violence were about protecting himself. He discovered veganism and now like those evangelical preachers who get rich from their naive followers he travels around preaching veganism funded by his naive followers. Then I see you tubes from a carnivore doctor who looks jacked up in his middle age but claims to be natty. He spends all his time quoting research and ex vegan anecdotes about vegans with mental health issues, hormonal imbalances, bloating or hair loss who came good as a carnivore.

I am trying to find out what a vegan looks like and why they are vegan without bathing into a pure vegan discussion like a troll. This one invites
meat eaters to participate.

[teo123]

I have been looking at diet preferences on you tube.

I've recently posted a video promoting veganism, you may be interested in it.

I have watched you tubes from an ex convict who, in spite of growing up in Australia of all places, convinced himself that high powered weaponry and getting involved in gang violence were about protecting himself.

As far as I can tell, most vegans are slightly left-wing and they support gun control, so they hold exactly the opposite beliefs than that.
I, personally, think that gun control probably has no effect on preventing crime, and that so doesn't the police. The police nearly always comes after a crime has already been committed. Gun control mainly affects law-abiding citizens, not the criminals.
On the other hand, it's hard to imagine that, if everyone had guns, there would somehow be less mass shootings. If you happen to be in a mass shooting, a gun is very unlikely to help you.
But like I've said, I am not a representative of what most vegans believe.

He discovered veganism and now like those evangelical preachers who get rich from their naive followers he travels around preaching veganism funded by his naive followers.

Well, I am sorry if that was your first exposure to veganism. There are many kinds of veganism, some of them accept nutritional science (that saturated fat and methionine, usually found in animal products, are harmful), some are based on denying it (raw-vegan diets, keto-vegan diets...).

Then I see you tubes from a carnivore doctor

Hey, listen, doctors can be idiots, especially when talking about stuff that's not really related to medicine. You know, like Deepak Chopra. Nutrition is only distantly related to medicine, and while a doctor probably knows better than an average person when it comes to nutrition, doctors can't really be considered experts in the field.

He spends all his time quoting research and ex vegan anecdotes about vegans with mental health issues

It's not really surprising vegans are more likely to have mental health issues. Vegans are generally aware of depressing stuff other people tend not to be aware of, such as that gas chambers in slaughterhouses aren't actually effective at killing animals painlessly.
Otherwise, yes, a poorly planned diet can lead to mental health issues. A complete lack of omega-3 acids in diet leads to some, but that's not at all a vegan-specific issue: flax contains a lot of omega-3 acids. Of course, vitamin B12 deficiency does lead to neurological problems, and vegans are more prone to it, but that has more to do with people suddenly living in a more sterile environment than with veganism. B12 deficiency is on the rise world-wide just like meat consumption is. It's caused by people eating more sterile fruits and vegetables, which don't contain B12.
Carnivorous diets by necessity cause mental health and neurological problems because they are low in starch, and your brain runs primarily on starch.

hormonal imbalances

I am not sure what you mean. I know some people claim one needs dietary cholesterol to produce testosterone or estrogen, that's nonsense because, first of all, dietary cholesterol is very poorly absorbed into blood. And that's for a good reason, your liver produces cholesterol, ideally just as much as you need.

bloating

Well, yeah, some people can't tolerate a very high-fiber diet and have problems with bloating on such a diet. Or, in most cases, they have problems with that at the beginning. As far as I can tell, many more people can't tolerate milk and they get bloated because of milk.

hair loss

Well, yes, many vegans abstain from eating too much salt, and since iodized salt is the main source of iodine for many people, they may get thyroid problems because of that, resulting in hair loss. Unrelated to veganism, obviously.

[Red]

Hello John, welcome to the forum!
Feel free to start a thread on whatever you're interested in. We look forward to discussing with you.

[teo123]

Hello John, welcome to the forum!
Feel free to start a thread on whatever you're interested in. We look forward to discussing with you.

I think it's gonna be tough to discuss with this guy. He probably doesn't know anything about nutrition and is unaware of that. Not only that, he doesn't even bother citing his sources. Can you guess which "YouTuber" he is getting his information from?

[Red]

Hello John, welcome to the forum!
Feel free to start a thread on whatever you're interested in. We look forward to discussing with you.

I think it's gonna be tough to discuss with this guy. He probably doesn't know anything about nutrition and is unaware of that. Not only that, he doesn't even bother citing his sources. Can you guess which "YouTuber" he is getting his information from?

Teo, please don't be alienating to a new member. We hardly know him or any of his positions.

[teo123]

Hello John, welcome to the forum!
Feel free to start a thread on whatever you're interested in. We look forward to discussing with you.

I think it's gonna be tough to discuss with this guy. He probably doesn't know anything about nutrition and is unaware of that. Not only that, he doesn't even bother citing his sources. Can you guess which "YouTuber" he is getting his information from?

Teo, please don't be alienating to a new member. We hardly know him or any of his positions.

Well, we know he has got, from some YouTubers, the idea that vegans support violent gangs, that vegans have some form of preachers, that doctors tend to think veganism leads to mental health issues as well as hormonal imbalance, hair loss and bloating... I replied the best I can, but I am just saying we are going to have a very hard time educating him.

[Not The Real JReg]

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[Red]

I think it's gonna be tough to discuss with this guy. He probably doesn't know anything about nutrition and is unaware of that. Not only that, he doesn't even bother citing his sources. Can you guess which "YouTuber" he is getting his information from?

Teo, please don't be alienating to a new member. We hardly know him or any of his positions.

Well, we know he has got, from some YouTubers, the idea that vegans support violent gangs, that vegans have some form of preachers, that doctors tend to think veganism leads to mental health issues as well as hormonal imbalance, hair loss and bloating... I replied the best I can, but I am just saying we are going to have a very hard time educating him.

Why not give him a chance?

[teo123]

Teo, please don't be alienating to a new member. We hardly know him or any of his positions.

Well, we know he has got, from some YouTubers, the idea that vegans support violent gangs, that vegans have some form of preachers, that doctors tend to think veganism leads to mental health issues as well as hormonal imbalance, hair loss and bloating... I replied the best I can, but I am just saying we are going to have a very hard time educating him.

Why not give him a chance?

Well, let's give him, but his first post doesn't look promising at all.

[Not The Real JReg]

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