Veganism is hipocritical and as absurd as religion

[thebestofenergy]

Troll detected... but hey, it was to be expected.

[LogicIsNotRelative]

they don't have to kill animals to make eggs, and they're not always fertilized. an egg is not a sentient being that is how you implied it.. what does a christan breathing have to do with me breating I dont care..... I'm saying Veganism, is much like religion yor even refering me to stupid texts much like they do with psuedo science behind it.. bit you claim carnism is the one that is like a religion.. you make no sense... and bring out the worst in me.. I doubt your fellow vegans would want you representing them. Armour is much more educated and rational than you. let him prove your vegan views. you are only making veganism look even worse.

[thebestofenergy]

I'm saying Veganism, is much like religion yor even refering me to stupid texts much like they do with psuedo science behind it..

LOL
Thanks for the couple of good laughs you gave me.

[LogicIsNotRelative]

Right back at you buddy.. pretending that TheVeganAtheist is some kind of messiah and his videos are some kind of gospel. ridiculous.. I could care less what his videos have to say.. who died and made him the food chain jebus?

[Sakana]

Can't really tell if you're trolling or just very confused. In any case you seem to be misrepresenting or misinterpreting more or less everything that's being said. Maybe if you see your arguments from a different point of view you'll realize you're being silly...

[brimstoneSalad]

Nice comics, Sakana.

I don't think LogicIsNotRelative is trolling (he or she WAS trolling before when making bad jokes, but doesn't seem to be as much now), he or she is just very uneducated on these topics and ignoring responses. He or she may or may not listen.

However, ignoring people's valid points is not allowed here. He or she will need to respond to them.

From here on out, it would probably be better to bring up points one by one until they are addressed, so he or she can follow them and not divert the discussion and avoid them.
To all participating: Please try to keep to these points, one by one. This includes you, LogicIsNotRelative.


1. "Natural"

Everything is natural (unless you believe something is supernatural). Meat is natural, rape is natural, airplanes are natural, stars are natural, beaver dams are natural. None of these things are supernatural.
Or, alternatively, the line between what is "natural" and "artificial" is arbitrary. Why are beaver dams unnatural, but the products of human action not?
If something exists, it is part of the naturalistic not-supernatural world. Unless, again, you believe in supernatural beings, ghosts, gods, and all of that.
LogicIsNotRelative, do you believe in such beings? We do not.

If you want to draw an arbitrary semantic line between what man exclusively does as magically "unnatural", and what some wild animals also do as "natural" you are free to do that, but such a line is scientifically and philosophically useless, as such, it has no place in this discussion.

You could sometimes also use 'natural' to refer to the difference between innate and learned qualities. e.g. "natural talent". This usage is very scientifically poor, though, because there is not a clear line between innate and learned behaviors. Liberal usage in this way would be an indication of ignorance of behaviorology and psychology.
If this is something you would like to discuss more, we can discuss this.

If you want to call those things that are conducive to evolutionary success "natural" and those things that are not "unnatural", you are misusing the term "natural". Evolutionary failure is perfectly natural by any acceptable use of the term. Use a dictionary. You are not free to use the word in this way, and if you do you will be considered trolling. If this is the case, say what you mean. If you want to say that, say "conducive to evolutionary success", not "natural".

LogicIsNotRelative, I need you to confirm that you agree to not use the word "natural" as if it has any relevant meaning in this conversation before we move on to the next issue.
If you think it's relevant, then explain why, and we will discuss that.

Be more specific. If you want to talk about evolutionary success, say that. If you want to talk about what you are probably trying to say are uncontrollable impulses to do a thing (which is making a very tall scientific claim), then say it clearly. If that's what you want to talk about, leave this whole "natural" thing out of it.

It is your vagueness and misuse of terms that is causing problems.

You started five pages of conversation in a day; even if you're misinformed, you're clearly very enthusiastic about discussion, and that's a good thing. I would like to see you stay around. But you will need to clarify your positions, and use terms correctly or you will be considered a troll.

[LogicIsNotRelative]

I'm done with you insane nutjob hippies... Of course I'm not a fucking lion.. doesn't mean i don't eat meat i'm an OMNIVOUR.. humans are OMNIVOURS you brainwashed hippies.... all i h ear is "meat is a sin" you're not better than mormoons and you idiots give atheism a bad name.

[LogicIsNotRelative]

I'm going to go slaughter a goat myself and have a fricken party this weekend

And brimstone.. you're the uneducated one.. you where arguing that oil is not an animal product you numnut, and your arguments are idiotic and like to twist them, great way to make your point across to people. I can take real logic seriously and hear you out.. but when you speak nonsense fuck that. I was willing to hear Armour out but not this nonsense. And those cartoons are ridiculous say nothing prove nothing.. I've decided I have no problem with vegans... I do however think vegan atheists are insane and are a living paradox.. you can't be atheist and vegan at the same time.. it contradicts each other because vegans seem to operate like a cult. That is all I see here.. very very little exceptions. Armoured is a much more logical person than this youtuber you got here running the show.... the cult leader... just like david koresh.

[Jebus]

I for one will miss you Logic. Not only did you break the forum record with 25 posts in one thread, but a lot of what you wrote was quite funny and amusing. You are also the most unintelligent person I have ever come across who knows how to write.

[EquALLity]

I'm done with you insane nutjob hippies... Of course I'm not a fucking lion.. doesn't mean i don't eat meat i'm an OMNIVOUR.. humans are OMNIVOURS you brainwashed hippies.... all i h ear is "meat is a sin" you're not better than mormoons and you idiots give atheism a bad name.

I'm going to go slaughter a goat myself and have a fricken party this weekend

And brimstone.. you're the uneducated one.. you where arguing that oil is not an animal product you numnut, and your arguments are idiotic and like to twist them, great way to make your point across to people. I can take real logic seriously and hear you out.. but when you speak nonsense fuck that. I was willing to hear Armour out but not this nonsense. And those cartoons are ridiculous say nothing prove nothing.. I've decided I have no problem with vegans... I do however think vegan atheists are insane and are a living paradox.. you can't be atheist and vegan at the same time.. it contradicts each other because vegans seem to operate like a cult. That is all I see here.. very very little exceptions. Armoured is a much more logical person than this youtuber you got here running the show.... the cult leader... just like david koresh.

Ok, this person is definitely a troll.

What he has written might as well read-
"You fuckin vegan atheists and ya shit... I use logic, unlike you insane hippy nutjobs... Like I eat meat because it's natural, and vegans would try to stop all societal progress if it hurt kittens, and if you think something is wrong you consider it a sin... and why don't you just use logic, and stop twisting around arguments? Vegans with their pseudoscience... plants are sentient!!!1 Logic isn't relative but oh wait never mind... Vegans are dogmatic, and hey, you are not a true vegan because fossils though!!!1 Like Armour is rational, and I am rational, but nobody else here is. YOU ARE ALL INSANE NOW IF YOU EXCUSE ME I AM OFF TO SLAUGHTER A GOAT YOU UNEDUCATED TWATS!!!11 HIPOCRITICAL NUMNUTS!!1"

Ahahahaha.