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thyplaguedoctor wrote:Your going out of your way to try to eat less meat while ...well people aren't stopping their meat eating and some probably won't at all..isn't it pointless??
People won't stop raping or murdering either, but does that mean we should all just do it?
It's just about making less suffering in the world. You're only responsible for the suffering you cause. Don't worry too much about what other people do.

Maybe you can inspire them to cause less suffering too, but if not, at least you weren't the cause of the suffering.

thyplaguedoctor wrote:So no milke? No cheese? No butter? Thats animal suffering...I don't know I like the idea but it seems a bit extreme a bit far....
Soy milk. Hemp milk. Nuts. Olive oil.
It's easy to make a vegan pizza, and it's healthier too.

There's vegan cheese you can buy. It's better to make your own with nuts, though (tastes better and healthier).

The bottom line is it's healthier for you. Better for the environment, so you help reduce human suffering. And it's better to reduce animal suffering as well.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:
thyplaguedoctor wrote:Your going out of your way to try to eat less meat while ...well people aren't stopping their meat eating and some probably won't at all..isn't it pointless??
People won't stop raping or murdering either, but does that mean we should all just do it?
It's just about making less suffering in the world. You're only responsible for the suffering you cause. Don't worry too much about what other people do.

Kind of a red herring but okay...I agree...

Maybe you can inspire them to cause less suffering too, but if not, at least you weren't the cause of the suffering.

thyplaguedoctor wrote:So no milke? No cheese? No butter? Thats animal suffering...I don't know I like the idea but it seems a bit extreme a bit far....
Soy milk. Hemp milk. Nuts. Olive oil.
It's easy to make a vegan pizza, and it's healthier too.

There's vegan cheese you can buy. It's better to make your own with nuts, though (tastes better and healthier).

The bottom line is it's healthier for you. Better for the environment, so you help reduce human suffering. And it's better to reduce animal suffering as well.
alright I think I will talk to my doctor about it and maybe see of she can give tips but even if she says no this is my choice.... Is that wise to go see my doctor?
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thyplaguedoctor wrote: alright I think I will talk to my doctor about it and maybe see of she can give tips but even if she says no this is my choice.... Is that wise to go see my doctor?
That would be like going to an auto-mechanic and asking him or her about how to care for your garden.
The mechanic might actually know about gardening too, but probably not.

Totally different field.

Doctors usually don't know anything about nutrition. Worse yet, they may give you bad advice they got from their mothers. Unless you have a particular health problem you're worried about and are taking medication.

Some medication may react with grapefruit, for example. Or if you're on a blood thinner, eating a lot of garlic could thin your blood more and create unpredictable results. Or if you have kidney stones, or something like that; maybe don't eat so much spinach.
Those are the things your doctor might know.

The same way, a mechanic might know that a certain kind of tree drips sticky sap that can get on your car and be hard to clean off. Or that a particular tree attracts bird that may poop on your car. If it's related to your car's finish, the mechanic may know about it, but otherwise probably not.

Like that, if it's not related to medication, your doctor won't know about it.
Doctors aren't educated in nutrition, typically.


For professional nutritional advice, if you think you need it, you have to go to a registered dietitian (RDN). Dietitians have formal scientific training in nutrition.
Don't go to a "nutritionist", that doesn't mean anything (anybody can call his or herself a "nutritionist" despite having no knowledge or training).
Unlike dietitians, the nutritionist profession is much less protected under the law. In fact, nutritionists that do not intend to use the titles of “dietitian” or “registered dietitian” are often free from government regulation. Some states may require nutritionists to obtain an occupational license from a Board of Nutrition, while other states allow individuals to practice as nutritionists without any previous education, training or work experience.
http://www.nutritioned.org/dietitian-vs ... onist.html

Thus, the term "nutritionist" is meaningless.

Only RDN, Registered Dietitians, are qualified to offer professional advice on nutrition.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
Any "professional" who says otherwise is a quack, and should not be trusted with your health. ;)

We can give you lay advice here for free, of course. We're mostly just parroting professionals (quoting or paraphrasing them on various topics).
If you want professional advice, definitely visit a registered dietitian (your insurance may cover this, although you may need a referral from a doctor); he or she (the dietitian, not your doctor) can help you plan out a diet that you will enjoy, can afford, and will fill all of your nutritional needs.
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I see thank you though I know there are a few things I can't eat already due to stomach problems for example garlic gives my stomach problems as do spices. But I know what I can and can't eat by now to a degree...But in becoming a vegan I will be eating a lot of new foods...which I might not know how it affects me. But I am sure like my other food I will learn
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We're glad to help with whatever you need. If you have any problems, just let us know. :)
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Yeah family they wouldnt understand and I dont really have a house of my own nore a full time job but ....I guess I will do some research on foods I can eat and things liek that before I do anything and then slowly change my ways.
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thyplaguedoctor wrote:....I guess I will do some research on foods I can eat and things liek that before I do anything and then slowly change my ways.
Well, the main thing is to find a good staple you can eat, and then expand from there.

Where do you live? That would help me recommend something (foods differ by region).
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brimstoneSalad wrote:
thyplaguedoctor wrote:....I guess I will do some research on foods I can eat and things liek that before I do anything and then slowly change my ways.
Well, the main thing is to find a good staple you can eat, and then expand from there.

Where do you live? That would help me recommend something (foods differ by region).
Florida USA

Also one more question lets assume vegas become the dominant lifestyle but not all change....What happens to the animals? The cows the pigs? I mean sure a lot will still get eaten but I imagine if we are right it will be 1/3rd the amount of animals eaten now OR LESS. So what do we do with them all?
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Can you find a sprouted grain or whole grain bread?

Like:
Ezekiel 4:9
http://www.foodforlife.com/about_us/ezekiel-49
Or
Dave's Killer Bread
http://www.daveskillerbread.com/sprouted-whole-grains

There are a few brands. They will usually be frozen (they defrost just fine).

Do you like pasta, and know how to cook it?

You can also usually find whole grain pasta. It takes a few extra minutes to cook, but it's another good option.
thyplaguedoctor wrote: Also one more question lets assume vegas become the dominant lifestyle but not all change....What happens to the animals? The cows the pigs? I mean sure a lot will still get eaten but I imagine if we are right it will be 1/3rd the amount of animals eaten now OR LESS. So what do we do with them all?
There wouldn't be extra animals. Cows, pigs, chickens are deliberately bred to keep up the huge population. When there's less demand for meat, fewer of them will be bred to begin with.
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Hmm good point and yeah I love pasta but...I cant JUST eat pasta thats silly but I assume you mean pasta along with fruits and veggies...I wonder what tofus is like...meh....Still...Sure it is the moral thing to do to become a vegan but I have to ask...Ever swatted a fly? I mean if you want to stop animal suffering how far is too far?
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