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Superlol wrote:evolution makes us adapt characteristics on if it works we keep it if it dosnt we don't keep it. All our charecteristics our just that programming over millions to billions of years, just like everything else living on this planet. Your very ignorent to suggest there is no meaning while i provide evidence and you just deny it. Using what I said you can easily find out the meaning for your life and it's to fight extinction and makes us able to survive. To find the meaning you must find the opposite of survival and thats extinction. Our goal as the most powerfull being is to prevent our extinction.
essentially you are arguing from an appeal to nature. You argued that because something is 'natural' it is therefore valid, justified, inevitable, good or ideal.

Many 'natural' things are also considered 'good', and this can bias our thinking; but naturalness itself doesn't make something good or bad. For instance murder could be seen as very natural, but that doesn't mean it's good or justifiable.

Example: The medicine man rolled into town on his bandwagon offering various natural remedies, such as very special plain water. He said that it was only natural that people should be wary of 'artificial' medicines such as antibiotics.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

Beyond that science really doesn't tell people what is or is not moral. It has however informed us that the feelings of other species both emotional and physical are not very different from our own. Social Darwinism is a good example of extending science into the field of morality. So price equation should not be a justification to kill anymore than the antiquated "survival of the fittest" should be used to justify economic exploitation. (yes don't everyone pounce on me for survival of the fittest I know it is not an accurate representation of how evolution works)
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in general take it easy on superlol. We have all probably been in his shoes. You catch more vegans with agave. get it? pretty clever eh.

Lol I just went through the comments and saw me and brimstone basically see the same problem. sorry!
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Twizelby wrote:in general take it easy on superlol. We have all probably been in his shoes.
I'm not sure about that.

They took it easy on Hitler when he was going on about his ideas of racial superiority in his youth, and the struggle between the races that defined his deontological duty to make anything permissible if it favored the Aryan people.

This kid is exactly the same, only replace "Aryan" with "Human".
He literally wants to subjugate nature, and wipe out any and all species that are not exploited or exploitable by humans.
He's two steps away from ethnic cleansing too, when he decides that some humans are weakening the species' chances for survival.

Even now, he would have humanity spread from plant to planet, on a crusade of extermination of all life that couldn't be enslaved and dominated by humanity, including other sapient species (unless they could be made into slaves/food and become useful).

He's no less evil and delusional than Hitler was at his age; and surely he'll grow into his wickedness just like the Führer did if people let him.
These kinds of neo-nazi scum can not be tolerated to spread their delusions.

He thinks he's different from Hitler, hilariously, he criticizes Hitler as an Idiot without realizing they share a single ideology. They would have been good friends.
He claims to be a pacifist, and wants to convince you that he's harmless- it's a lie. He'd kill every animal on Earth he deems as not useful if he could, and when he's done with that, I guarantee you he'd move onto the humans he sees as poisoning our genetic potential, just as Hitler did.

There's wrong, and then there's evil.
There's simple ignorance, and then there's fanatical dogma.

This "Superlol" is in the latter camp. He's Hitler-lite. And that won't last long- remember, he's only 12. He has plenty of time to grow into his evil dogma and come to terms with the real requirements for his plans of global cleansing.
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Twizelby wrote:in general take it easy on superlol. We have all probably been in his shoes. You catch more vegans with agave. get it? pretty clever eh.

Lol I just went through the comments and saw me and brimstone basically see the same problem. sorry!
He is young we have to realize he's more hormonal than us, let me him express his anger and then kindly correct him and point out the error in his ways.. He is probably very impressionable, think of the impression you want to leave on him in regards to all things 'vegan'.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:
Twizelby wrote:in general take it easy on superlol. We have all probably been in his shoes.
I'm not sure about that.

They took it easy on Hitler when he was going on about his ideas of racial superiority in his youth, and the struggle between the races that defined his deontological duty to make anything permissible if it favored the Aryan people.
I grew up with dead dear hanging in my neighbors garage and pulling fish off of hooks. if you want to make a comparison it's more like hitler youth, brainwashed and not entirely participating of their own volition.
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I hate to envoke godwin's law. But the last time people talked about a food chain and being allowed to do with whatever you see as inferior it didn't really end well for the jews, homosexuals, slavs and the mentally disabled.
“I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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Well first of i dont need to kill any animals to make this reality happen, it's already happened and the only way to save the animals is with resources wich will be very valuable. Humans have created many dangerous parasites and viruses which could easily kill of any animal species. Or maybe pollution will kill then with the effects of global warming. Maybe a ice storm or super volcano. Maybe a asteroid. One day all these animals will die because they haven't achieved our minds and probably never will (like the dinosaurs). As humans im voting for a future more like virtual reality and robots that take all these jobs. Once we merge with robots, we won't care for any animal that dosnt benefit us, we will make everything into a equation. We will see what to do to adapt and evolve. Thats what our mane purpose is, to adapt and evolve. That's why we have sexual organs, eyes, DNA mutation.... Etc every aspect of our minds is to improve us. And please tell me whats wrong with this scientific theory before you make some wild prosecution that im like the most ruthless dictator.
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Superlol wrote:Well first of i dont need to kill any animals to make this reality happen, it's already happened and the only way to save the animals is with resources wich will be very valuable. Humans have created many dangerous parasites and viruses which could easily kill of any animal species. Or maybe pollution will kill then with the effects of global warming. Maybe a ice storm or super volcano. Maybe a asteroid. One day all these animals will die because they haven't achieved our minds and probably never will (like the dinosaurs). As humans im voting for a future more like virtual reality and robots that take all these jobs. Once we merge with robots, we won't care for any animal that dosnt benefit us, we will make everything into a equation. We will see what to do to adapt and evolve. Thats what our mane purpose is, to adapt and evolve. That's why we have sexual organs, eyes, DNA mutation.... Etc every aspect of our minds is to improve us. And please tell me whats wrong with this scientific theory before you make some wild prosecution that im like the most ruthless dictator.

Alright, never mind Brimstone, he is little Hitler. Chill out with the master race stuff Adolf. We aren't attacking the theory, we are attacking your application of it. You moved it beyond the realm of science into a realm of philosophy and ethics.
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Twizelby wrote: Alright, never mind Brimstone, he is little Hitler.
I calls 'em like I see 'em.

This particular brand of pseudoscience is nothing new.

But, I'm starting to think the comparison may be unfair to the memory of Hitler- he was a pretty bad guy, but at least he seemed to be an environmentalist and animal lover (just goes to show, nobody is pure evil), which is more than we can say for this little guy here.

In many respects, his dogma is worse than Hitler's (in the sense, it's more extreme and ambitious), he just hasn't had the opportunity to unleash his horrible will upon the world... yet.

Where's a shinigami to drop its little book when you need it?
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Well in my belief every human generally do things for a meaning. I highly doubt theres such thing as evil. Calling hitler evil is just stupid. Humans retaliate to outcomes. youtu.be/OKcpm_fm8mQ this was purely hitlers retaliation. Evil dosnt exist its just a chain reaction. Evil is just a lack of good and thats on a ethical basis. Like the question is it ok to steal if you need the money to help your daughter have a surgery to save her life and you have already a bad credit rating and theres no way to get the money. Evil is a myth in my opinion.
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