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@Unknownfromheaven In a sense it is a "group" but only in the loosest sense of being a set of people who have something in common. They aren't a secret society, it's public information who all of the most wealthy and powerful people on Earth are. They don't agree on everything, but they do agree on a few things the protect their wealth and it's certainly hard to work against their common interests -- however, their power is dwarfed by the majority. If ordinary people can work together we can enact more progressive financial systems as have already been partially enacted in some European countries. It's certainly not impossible to make moves against their interests over time. I don't know where the conspiracies come in with all of that, since it's very transparent what they're trying to do and you can follow the money to see how they lobby against reforms that harm their bottom lines.

There are very rare exceptions with respect to the ultra-rich, maybe Gates who is pretty progressive: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019 ... wealth-tax

brimstoneSalad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:25 pm @Unknownfromheaven In a sense it is a "group" but only in the loosest sense of being a set of people who have something in common. They aren't a secret society, it's public information who all of the most wealthy and powerful people on Earth are.

I want you to know that I agree with everything you've said. The thing is however that when it comes to a conspiracy, those who speak that these people have no interest for the planet or for human beings but themselves, are not wrong and we can see somewhat that it's true because of the nature of the system which is far from an idealistic and altruistic perspective, based more on Egocentrism (I explained in another recent thread about this), greed, power, and control... so the conspiracy theorists are not insane to believe that we live indeed in a world of criminals, corrupted system and so on, powerful people who just see humans as numbers in statistics and whatnot and that they just don't care.

Humans have killed each other for thousands of years and that's not over.

Some people tried to kill me because I parked my car in a public space, they put something like strong, thick nails in my tires and these exploded on the road, if I was to drive home to my former city with a speed of over 100km/h, I would have been dead along with my ex-wife and my kid. So that stranger who did that to me, knew that car was not registered in the current city I was living in at that moment, knew I had a family and still found these very thick nails in those tires.

Another example is that when the pandemic came, after I've done some groceries, some people tried to break into my car and steal what it was in there, they didn't get the chance though because I caught them and I was with a friend. These people who tried that, were not homeless, they were normal, average people.

This world is not pink, is filled with sick, insane and some evil people so I think that's better to be a little bit paranoic and not trust too much in some things, like the system itself.

As long as something is exposed with evidence in time, it's no longer a conspiracy but there are people who don't admit that and still call them insane, sure... I would agree if they would point to something absurd like the Flat earth nonsense... but when are things about the human nature concerning beliefs, secret rituals... this deserves some attention... because the same "group" or whatever it is at the top of the world which seeks to be more rich, etc have many ramifications and was seen how they form their little groups (many groups), although some of them were hidden from the public eye, later they wanted in a way that the world to find out about them because of some kind of pride, believing that people are slaves and cannot do anything against them and that's true. I mean from my point of view it is possible but improbable because of the current brainwashed mentalities most have.

Except for the Venus Project which is practical, possible but detrimental for the current system, the rest of the options provided by current politics are pure aberations and illusions to feed people with false hopes, and that some things can change when they know they serve only as puppets with strings, following specific interests and continue to lie to people. but most don't seem to understand or see this reality.

When it comes to reptiles, I understand why some people are saying those things. I think it's a coping mechanism for them because they don't want to accept that humans can do such horrible things. Because some things that are happening in the world are very inhumane, so I understand those people even if it sounds irrational.

They want to believe that humanity is love, art, compassion, empathy... you know... human values, the true meaning of humanity.
And those horrors that are a dark side of some "humans" lead them to reject that those people are in fact humans, that reptiles have cold blood and could do such things... at least this is my explanation from a psychological standpoint.

For instance, some people laugh when they see something horrible like an accident...but that's the way how their organism defends itself, it's always some kind of suffering that activates certain defence systems or coping mechanisms, but these can be very, very different from one human to another.
While some manage to grow out of traumatic experiences, others are damaging themselves with drugs or alcohol, etc.

Having my own system of psychotherapy, I was able to recover fast from my 13 years of troubles, while some other people need psychotherapy for two or even three years, after only one year of relationships. So I had my own resources to fight with what I explained in another thread.

Sorry if I deviated a little bit, but there are so many things entailed in the whole thing and one cannot always contain it in a single topic.