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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:11 pm

Red wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:35 pm Also, this isn't taking into account the things the presidents did out of office. If it did, Herbert Hoover would be within the top 5, and John Tyler would be within the bottom 5.

Um... well... FUCK!

Explain yourself Mr. Vice President.

Red wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:15 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:11 pm

Red wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:35 pm Also, this isn't taking into account the things the presidents did out of office. If it did, Herbert Hoover would be within the top 5, and John Tyler would be within the bottom 5.

Um... well... FUCK!

Explain yourself Mr. Vice President.

I did not, I repeat: NOT, put that President, Mr Tyler, on there for his treachery and cooperation with the Confederates. I put him on there... because... um...

...well...

... because... he ugly.

Hey @Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz have you seen this list by Libertarian Ivan Eland?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2461055/posts
1. John Tyler

2. Grover Cleveland

3. Martin Van Buren

4. Rutherford B. Hayes

5. Chester A Arthur

6. Warren G Harding

7. George Washington

8. Jimmy Carter

9. Dwight D Eisenhower

10. Calvin Coolidge

11. Bill Clinton

12. John Quincy Adams

13. Zachary Taylor

14. Millard Fillmore

15. Benjamin Harrison

16. Gerald Ford

17. Andrew Johnson

18. Herbert Hoover

19. U.S. Grant

20. William Howard Taft

21. Theodore Roosevelt

22. John Adams

23. James Buchanan

24. Franklin Pierce

25. James Monroe

26. Thomas Jefferson

27. Andrew Jackson

28. James Madison

29. Abraham Lincoln

30. Richard Nixon

31. FDR

32. LBJ

33. George H.W. Bush

34. Ronald Reagan

35. JFK

36. George W. Bush

37. James K. Polk

38. William McKinley

39. Harry S. Truman

40. Woodrow Wilson

Red wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:54 pm Hey @Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz have you seen this list by Libertarian Ivan Eland?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2461055/posts
1. John Tyler

2. Grover Cleveland

3. Martin Van Buren

4. Rutherford B. Hayes

5. Chester A Arthur

6. Warren G Harding

7. George Washington

8. Jimmy Carter

9. Dwight D Eisenhower

10. Calvin Coolidge

11. Bill Clinton

12. John Quincy Adams

13. Zachary Taylor

14. Millard Fillmore

15. Benjamin Harrison

16. Gerald Ford

17. Andrew Johnson

18. Herbert Hoover

19. U.S. Grant

20. William Howard Taft

21. Theodore Roosevelt

22. John Adams

23. James Buchanan

24. Franklin Pierce

25. James Monroe

26. Thomas Jefferson

27. Andrew Jackson

28. James Madison

29. Abraham Lincoln

30. Richard Nixon

31. FDR

32. LBJ

33. George H.W. Bush

34. Ronald Reagan

35. JFK

36. George W. Bush

37. James K. Polk

38. William McKinley

39. Harry S. Truman

40. Woodrow Wilson

I'd rank some of the Presidents he ranked lowly (e.g. Teddy Roosevelt) highly for the same reasons he ranked them lowly (progressive interventionists). I agree with his viewpoint that Wilson, the KKK darling, should be ranked lowly, but nowhere near as lowly as he is ranked on this list. I would love to understand his reasons for thinking that Reagan wasn't a true conservative and that Carter was an advocate of small government, and also his reasons for ranking JFK so lowly. Also don't understand why he ranks McKinley so lowly due to Spanish-American war, which I have heard McKinley was actually very hesitant to bring America into it. Also don't know why Jefferson is ranked so lowly and completely disagree with his viewpoint that Lincoln mishandled the civil war.

Would be interesting to see where Garfield would rank on this list.

ALSO, John Tyler was an uckers sket who betrayed his country to the Confederate scum and should be nowhere near the top spot.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:33 am

Red wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:54 pm Hey @Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz have you seen this list by Libertarian Ivan Eland?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2461055/posts
1. John Tyler

2. Grover Cleveland

3. Martin Van Buren

4. Rutherford B. Hayes

5. Chester A Arthur

6. Warren G Harding

7. George Washington

8. Jimmy Carter

9. Dwight D Eisenhower

10. Calvin Coolidge

11. Bill Clinton

12. John Quincy Adams

13. Zachary Taylor

14. Millard Fillmore

15. Benjamin Harrison

16. Gerald Ford

17. Andrew Johnson

18. Herbert Hoover

19. U.S. Grant

20. William Howard Taft

21. Theodore Roosevelt

22. John Adams

23. James Buchanan

24. Franklin Pierce

25. James Monroe

26. Thomas Jefferson

27. Andrew Jackson

28. James Madison

29. Abraham Lincoln

30. Richard Nixon

31. FDR

32. LBJ

33. George H.W. Bush

34. Ronald Reagan

35. JFK

36. George W. Bush

37. James K. Polk

38. William McKinley

39. Harry S. Truman

40. Woodrow Wilson

I'd rank some of the Presidents he ranked lowly (e.g. Teddy Roosevelt) highly for the same reasons he ranked them lowly (progressive interventionists). I agree with his viewpoint that Wilson, the KKK darling, should be ranked lowly, but nowhere near as lowly as he is ranked on this list. I would love to understand his reasons for thinking that Reagan wasn't a true conservative and that Carter was an advocate of small government, and also his reasons for ranking JFK so lowly. Also don't understand why he ranks McKinley so lowly due to Spanish-American war, which I have heard McKinley was actually very hesitant to bring America into it. Also don't know why Jefferson is ranked so lowly and completely disagree with his viewpoint that Lincoln mishandled the civil war.

Would be interesting to see where Garfield would rank on this list.

ALSO, John Tyler was an uckers sket who betrayed his country to the Confederate scum and should be nowhere near the top spot.

Also, I'd like to alter my rankings:

Flawless
1. James A. Garfield

Awesome
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. Abraham Lincoln
4. Ulysses S. Grant
5. Thomas Jefferson
6. Jimmy Carter
7. Theodore Roosevelt
8. John F. Kennedy
9. James Madison
10. George Washington
11. Barack Obama

Near Awesome
12. John Quincy Adams (An ardent opponent of slavery but also a nutcase who joined the Anti-Masonic Party and thought that the earth was hollow, even launching a tax-payer funded expedition in an attempt to prove it)
13. William McKinley

Above Average
14. James Monroe
15. John Adams

Average
16. Rutherford B. Hayes (Did a lot to expand civil rights but also enjoyed crushing labour unions)
17. Chester A. Arthur
18. William Henry Harrison (Had the potential to be ranked a lot higher if he had only remembered to wear a coat)
19. Zachary Taylor (Opposed the expansion of slavery, but still pro-slavery)
20. Martin Van Buren (Ditto, also continued some of the bad things that his predecessor Jackson did)

Bad but did a few good things
21. Harry S. Truman (Bad: Started the Korean War; Good: Continued FDR's progressive policies, dropped the atomic bombs on Japan)
22. Lyndon B. Johnson (Bad: Expanded America's role in the Vietnam War; Good: Great Society)
23. Bill Clinton (Bad: Repealed Glass-Steagall; Good: Balanced the budget, peaceful relations with the DPRK)
24. Woodrow Wilson (Bad: Brought USA into WW1, loved the KKK; Good: Fairly good economic policies)
25. Herbert Hoover (Bad: A laissez-faire conservative; Good: Nowhere near as bad as Harding and Coolidge and tried to reverse the negative consequences of their actions, also did some good things after being President)
26. Gerald Ford (Bad: A conservative; Good: Too incompetent to have any lasting negative impact)
27. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Bad: Overthrew the democratically elected government of Mohamed Mosaddegh in Iran; Good: Did some good things for civil rights)
28. Richard Nixon (Bad: Overthrew the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile, Tried to suppress publication of the Pentagon Papers by the New York Times and Washington Post, Watergate, etc.; Good: Established the EPA, More progressive than he is given credit for)

Terrible
29. Grover Cleveland
30. Benjamin Harrison
31. James Buchanan
32. William Howard Taft
33. Millard Fillmore
34. Calvin Coolidge
35. George H. W. Bush
36. George W. Bush

Near Shit
37. Warren G. Harding (Extreme laissez-faire conservative whose administration was rife with corruption, however, he also supported the freeing of Eugene V. Debs who was imprisoned by the Wilson administration for opposing the first world war so this keeps him from falling into the "shit" category)

Shit
38. Ronald Reagan
39. Orange Man
40. John Tyler
41. Andrew Johnson
42. Andrew Jackson
43. Franklin Pierce

Irredeemable
44. James K. Polk

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:16 pm 18. William Henry Harrison (Had the potential to be ranked a lot higher if he had only remembered to wear a coat)

Myth. Even if Harrison did die of Pneumonia (he probably didn't- Wikipedia even makes this mistake), it wasn't due to his inauguration, since symptoms didn't arise until weeks after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7QGw8yGck

Red wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:48 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:16 pm 18. William Henry Harrison (Had the potential to be ranked a lot higher if he had only remembered to wear a coat)

Myth. Even if Harrison did die of Pneumonia (he probably didn't- Wikipedia even makes this mistake), it wasn't due to his inauguration, since symptoms didn't arise until weeks after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7QGw8yGck

Well you learn something new every day!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:01 pm

Red wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:48 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:16 pm 18. William Henry Harrison (Had the potential to be ranked a lot higher if he had only remembered to wear a coat)

Myth. Even if Harrison did die of Pneumonia (he probably didn't- Wikipedia even makes this mistake), it wasn't due to his inauguration, since symptoms didn't arise until weeks after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7QGw8yGck

Well you learn something new every day!

Actually, you learn something old every day. Just because you just learned it, doesn't mean it's new.

Red wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:01 pm

Red wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:48 pm
Myth. Even if Harrison did die of Pneumonia (he probably didn't- Wikipedia even makes this mistake), it wasn't due to his inauguration, since symptoms didn't arise until weeks after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7QGw8yGck

Well you learn something new every day!

Actually, you learn something old every day. Just because you just learned it, doesn't mean it's new.

It's new to me.

So since it's Presidents Day today, I've decided to take the initiative of putting forward an argument for why the United States needs to abolish the Presidency ranking the U.S. Presidents from best to worst:

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. James A. Garfield
5. Walter Mondale
6. John F. Kennedy
7. Ulysses S. Grant
8. Jimmy Carter
9. Thomas Jefferson
10. Barack Obama
11. James Madison
12. George Washington
13. John Quincy Adams
14. John Adams
15. James Monroe
16. William McKinley
17. Rutherford B. Hayes
18. Chester A. Arthur
19. William Henry Harrison
20. Martin Van Buren
21. Benjamin Harrison
22. Zachary Taylor
23. Bill Clinton
24. Lyndon B. Johnson
25. Harry S. Truman
26. Dwight D. Eisenhower
27. Gerald Ford
28. Woodrow Wilson
29. Grover Cleveland
30. James Buchanan
31. Herbert Hoover
32. William Howard Taft
33. Millard Fillmore
34. Calvin Coolidge
35. Richard Nixon
36. George W. Bush
37. Andrew Johnson
38. John Tyler
39. George H. W. Bush
40. Ronald Reagan
41. Andrew Jackson
42. Franklin Pierce
43. Warren G. Harding
44. James K. Polk
45. Donald Trump