Philosophical Vegan Forum

Like preet, I don't see overpopulation as an issue, particularly in the developed world.

It is not the quantity, so much as the bad behavior of that population that matters.

If we as vegans produce vegan children, living conscientiously and more sustainably, it's not the burden one might imagine population increase to be, and the very fact of their existence benefits the world by continuing to set a good example for others.

Adoption is great too, although in many places it's unreasonably difficult. If the adoption agent finds out you'll raise the child vegan? And even atheist? Good luck.

Volenta wrote:Overpopulation isn't really the reason for me, because where I live population growth of natives (so minus immigration) is pretty stable. It's mostly the third world that should slow down.

If I understand you correctly overpopulation is not a problem since it doesn't affect you negatively. The people in the third world are not the ones depleting the world's resources. The world would benefit from a decrease in first world populations as well.

Jebus wrote:If I understand you correctly overpopulation is not a problem since it doesn't affect you negatively.

No, don't know how you came up with that.

Jebus wrote:The people in the third world are not the ones depleting the world's resources.

And that's actually true. What I tried to point out is that if the population of the first world is stable (like it is where I live), it's better to work on the ecological footprint of the people rather than by decreasing the population (which is problematic to the economy and creating population aging). And that's something every individual can do something about. My personal ecological footprint isn't big, and when you try to raise your child(ren) to also to take responsibility, then it isn't necessarily bad to get a child. (And if people, or especially companies, aren't taking responsibility, the government can guide the process.)

But also the third world are going to progress industrially/technologically, and then because they are with so many people, it can also become a real problem.

Jebus wrote:The world would benefit from a decrease in first world populations as well.

There are still first world countries where there is population growth, and those should try to decrease that growth. I think each nation has to take their own responsibility in that (for developed countries that is).

Edit: typo

Volenta wrote:

Soycrates wrote:...Again, I've gotta say, What?

Why do people have kids? It's generally because they love each other, and all the reasons that flows from there. Not sure what your problem with that is, other than it being not a rational but an instinctive and emotional reason based on how things go in life.

No, you just said that finding a woman to fall in love with means having children is "inevitable"... even though plenty of people on this forum, and in this generation, do not want children.

Soycrates wrote:No, you just said that finding a woman to fall in love with means having children is "inevitable"... even though plenty of people on this forum, and in this generation, do not want children.

It was a hyperbole, sorry if I didn't made that clear enough.